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Note for: John de Warrene, 1286 - 1347 Index

Eighth Earl Warrene, Earl of Surrey and Sussex.
[1286-1347]
John Earl Warren 8th, grandson of John 7th Earl, married the 10 year old J oan de Bar [Barr], grand-daughter [some sources say daughter] to Edwa rd I.
The childless marriage was not successful and both sued for divorce b ut as a result the Pope excommunicated John.
John produced many "divers bastards" and left no lawful issue, the esta te was thus transferred to King Edward II17.
In 1304 he assumed the title earl of Sussex, which his grandfather has al so titled himself. In 1310 John joined Edward II in an invasion of Scotlan d. However by 1312 he rebelled against Edward II . John quarrelled with Pi ers Gaveston, Edward II's favourite, and joined the party of barons at Sca rborough [Knaresborough32.] in 1312, when Gaveston was taken prisoner. S ee Bulmer's Gazeteer.

But John capitulated in 1313 when Gaveston was murdered by the Earls of Wa rwick, Lancaster, Hereford and Arundel and returned to supporting Edward I I, a king unpopular with half of the people.
By 1314 John had been proceeded against for divorce17. [others say both pa rties filed for divorce]
In 1315 John quit claimed the castles of Sandal and Conisbrough along wi th estates at Sowerby, Dewsbury, Halifax and estates in other counties1
At this time Earl Warrene's steward was John de Doncaster25.
In 1316 John 8th Earl Warrene was excommunicated for adultery by pope Jo hn XXII32 with an Isabel de Houland and Matilda de Mairford17[some sourc es say Maud de Neirford of Castle Acre, Norfolk]. Both producing illegitim ate children. In 1317 Edward II granted the manor to Matilda and her two n atural sons by John [John and Thomas de Warrene]. Later John 8th Earl Warr ene married Matilda. [others say Isabel de Houland who d. 1389]
John 8th Earl Warrene had a disagreement with Thomas the Earl of Lancast er [the death of Gaveston , although some have suggested that John earl Wa rrene helped Thomas's wife to elope with her lover] which led to Lancast er laying siege to Sandal Castle in 1317 which Lancaster burnt to the grou nd. Between 1317 and 1319 Thomas Plantagenet, earl of Lancaster seized mu ch of John's land.
J.W. Walker stated that a Robert Hood of Wakefield was on a roster to jo in the army against Scotland but appaently did not appear24.
In the 12th year of Ed. II (1319) this John de Warren was forced to gra nt the manor to Thomas Earl of Lancaster, probably because of Earl Warren es licentiousness and resultant ex-communication by the Pope.
From 1320 Thomas Earl of Lancaster built a stone castle at Sandal Magna.
Following the short tenure of the estates by Thomas, John who had marri ed Matilda de Mairford, his former concubine, received back the estate s, whilst the remainder was given to their two sons, John de Warren and Th omas de Warren [both born before the marriage].
Thus John 8th earl died without lawful issue in the 21st year of Ed. II I* (about 1347-8)17 possibly from the "Black Death". This is the same ye ar as Joseph Hunter, the Yorkshire Antiquarian calculated the death of a n on-historical figure, "Robin Hood" at Kirklees26. Matilda (now Counte ss de Warren) lived until the 33rd year of Edward III (about 1360), her t wo sons John and Thomas dying before her. The Wakefield Manor revert ed to the crown in 1362 and the barony and revenues were now given by E d. III to his six year old son Edmund de Langley/Longley [later the Du ke of York], who later died at the Battle of Agincourt (others say his bir thplace, Kings Langley). The Earldom of Warrene was now given by Edward I II to Richard Fitzalan II, Earl of Arundel.

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Note for: Susanna Champneys, 19 OCT 1777 - 15 AUG 1846 Index

Posted by: Helen Mound Date: January 22, 2001 at 03:52:15
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I have a document about my great, great, great grandparents who died in t he early 1800s and lived in Tinwald and London. It reads:
Transcript of Inscription on back of old oil painting by Maria Mundell
(original transcript in ACA’s handwriting is held by Helen Mound)
This picture is of Alexander Mundell, husband of Susanna Champneys. The on ly surviving son of his family who came to this country (England) from Nor mandy with William I. He had seven sons but near a grandson of his na me to carry it on, and six daughters. Exceptance one all lived to Mans Est ate. Tinwald near Dumfries was the Estate. He was born 3rd Feb 1768 and di ed March 19 1837. Susanna Champneys, 2nd daughter of Bradmill, Herts, of t he family of Champneys of Orcharley, Somersetshire, married to Alex. Munde ll sole surviving representative of the ancient family of Magnaville and K night of St John of Jerusalem, buried in the Temple Church, London. She w as born 19 October 1777 married 1797 and died August 15 1846. Mother of th irteen children (Above my Mother’s Father and Mother, ACAdcock)
William Adam 5th Son of Alex and Susanna Mundell, born at the Manor Hous e, Leatherhead 29 Sept 1815. Became Barrister and Queens Council died in h is own house Buckingham Palace Road 15 July 1875. Hugh Jervis 7th son, bo rn 28 Nov 1818 died of fever August 26 1839 at Hoshangabad Central Provinc es, India and was buried there by his Brother Officers and a stone erecte d. Maria MacKenzie Mundell 6th Daughter born 19 June 1812 died Feb 19 18 94 the only one left of the 13 children. She was buried in her Father’s gr ave at All Saints Churchyard, Fulham. On the back of the stone she had a ll her Brothers and Sisters names inscribed.
Beatrice Haig Mundell 3rd Daughter of Alex and Susanna Mundell married Ca pt Forbes McNeill Brother of Lord Colonsay. Catherine Jane Mundell 2nd Dau ghter married Sir John Jervis, late Lord Chief Justice and Chief Justi ce of Common Places born 18th May 1801 died Augu 1862.
(Camilla Windus Mundell married George Aitchison, my Father) ACA
I would be glad to hear from anyone who is a descendant of one of this fam ily as I have a photograph showing Dr Champneys daughter dated about 18 60 and would like to share knowledge
Helen